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	<title>Comments on: What You Can Learn from the Ice Business</title>
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		<title>By: miconian</title>
		<link>http://www.smbmarketingguide.com/brand-strategy/what-you-can-learn-from-the-ice-business/comment-page-1/#comment-440</link>
		<dc:creator>miconian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 03:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question of whether the ice companies should have gone into the refrigeration business calls to mind &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393333949?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=breakneckpizz-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0393333949&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Big Switch&lt;/a&gt; by Nicholas Carr, who talks about a similar series of choices for the companies that generated, provided, and distributed electricity.

Also, this post calls to mind &lt;em&gt;The Mosquito Coast&lt;/em&gt;, a film and novel about a mad scientist who brings an ice-making machine to the Central American jungle, imagining himself a savior of the natives who have never seen ice. But the ice melts, the machine has to be destroyed, and the inventor turns out to be the one who needs help. Something to consider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question of whether the ice companies should have gone into the refrigeration business calls to mind <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393333949?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=breakneckpizz-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0393333949" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393333949?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=breakneckpizz-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0393333949');" rel="nofollow">The Big Switch</a> by Nicholas Carr, who talks about a similar series of choices for the companies that generated, provided, and distributed electricity.</p>
<p>Also, this post calls to mind <em>The Mosquito Coast</em>, a film and novel about a mad scientist who brings an ice-making machine to the Central American jungle, imagining himself a savior of the natives who have never seen ice. But the ice melts, the machine has to be destroyed, and the inventor turns out to be the one who needs help. Something to consider.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very helpful article, and some great comments. This is definitely helpful for Web businesses, whether you&#039;re a service or product company. I won&#039;t pretend to know whether this is helpful for any other sector, because that&#039;s not my strength. 

On the web, here&#039;s the thing: Whether something transforms well or not, you better transform or you&#039;re toast. The web is incredibly dynamic. This article reminds me of something Terry Matthews said at a recent talk: &quot;You must evolve, or you will die.&quot; According to Matthews, Nortel&#039;s fatal flaw was their inability to embrace a collaborative business model. They rejected a partnership with Mitel, because they were stuck in an old [hierarchical] paradigm.

Some aspects of your business must remain constant however, for financial, operational, marketing, sales and branding reasons. 

This presents a challenging, but critical problem: finding the balance between consistency and adaptability. 

Thanks for getting my wheels turning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very helpful article, and some great comments. This is definitely helpful for Web businesses, whether you&#8217;re a service or product company. I won&#8217;t pretend to know whether this is helpful for any other sector, because that&#8217;s not my strength. </p>
<p>On the web, here&#8217;s the thing: Whether something transforms well or not, you better transform or you&#8217;re toast. The web is incredibly dynamic. This article reminds me of something Terry Matthews said at a recent talk: &#8220;You must evolve, or you will die.&#8221; According to Matthews, Nortel&#8217;s fatal flaw was their inability to embrace a collaborative business model. They rejected a partnership with Mitel, because they were stuck in an old [hierarchical] paradigm.</p>
<p>Some aspects of your business must remain constant however, for financial, operational, marketing, sales and branding reasons. </p>
<p>This presents a challenging, but critical problem: finding the balance between consistency and adaptability. </p>
<p>Thanks for getting my wheels turning.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spoken like a true web2.0 guru, Guy. Your argument centers on paradigms that my small business clients don&#039;t find relevant.

There are major factors that you don&#039;t mention:

-ice harvesting and delivery is NOT a business model that transforms well into the design, manufacture, and support of machinery. Junior and Bubba were probably loggers and farmers in the warm weather and would not have had the ability to design, build, install or troubleshoot early compressor-based refrigeration systems. It&#039;s like saying that these same companies should have built their own power plants too.

-Many of the original ice harvesting and factory operations still exist today. They leveraged their expertise in _distribution_ and customer service. An example is Leominster Ice and Oil in Massachusetts. Started as an Ice Factory in the early 1900s. Still sells bagged ice and home heating oil today.

-Ice 2.0 and 3.0 were emergent technologies that drove major changes in the world. But emergent technologies are always risky. There are several early refrigeration companies that failed. What if you bought an early model that had no parts or service available? Did you buy an Amiga computer? A Beta VCR? Ever hear of the mechanical television? Visicalc/Wordstar/WordPerfect/OS2/MS BOB? HD-DVD? Those all seemed like pretty good bets at the time.

There have always been emergent technologies that never made it. The people of the day don&#039;t have hindsight at their disposal so their decisions can&#039;t be taken in the same context.

The business lesson here: Don&#039;t jump into something you can&#039;t handle just because it&#039;s the &quot;next big thing.&quot; Stick with your core competency and adapt to find your niche as the world changes. Or jump from &quot;next big thing&quot; to &quot;next big thing&quot; and either get rich quick or go broke trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spoken like a true web2.0 guru, Guy. Your argument centers on paradigms that my small business clients don&#8217;t find relevant.</p>
<p>There are major factors that you don&#8217;t mention:</p>
<p>-ice harvesting and delivery is NOT a business model that transforms well into the design, manufacture, and support of machinery. Junior and Bubba were probably loggers and farmers in the warm weather and would not have had the ability to design, build, install or troubleshoot early compressor-based refrigeration systems. It&#8217;s like saying that these same companies should have built their own power plants too.</p>
<p>-Many of the original ice harvesting and factory operations still exist today. They leveraged their expertise in _distribution_ and customer service. An example is Leominster Ice and Oil in Massachusetts. Started as an Ice Factory in the early 1900s. Still sells bagged ice and home heating oil today.</p>
<p>-Ice 2.0 and 3.0 were emergent technologies that drove major changes in the world. But emergent technologies are always risky. There are several early refrigeration companies that failed. What if you bought an early model that had no parts or service available? Did you buy an Amiga computer? A Beta VCR? Ever hear of the mechanical television? Visicalc/Wordstar/WordPerfect/OS2/MS BOB? HD-DVD? Those all seemed like pretty good bets at the time.</p>
<p>There have always been emergent technologies that never made it. The people of the day don&#8217;t have hindsight at their disposal so their decisions can&#8217;t be taken in the same context.</p>
<p>The business lesson here: Don&#8217;t jump into something you can&#8217;t handle just because it&#8217;s the &#8220;next big thing.&#8221; Stick with your core competency and adapt to find your niche as the world changes. Or jump from &#8220;next big thing&#8221; to &#8220;next big thing&#8221; and either get rich quick or go broke trying.</p>
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		<title>By: No Fixed Office</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Fixed Office</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it may be possible that their is truth in the fact that none moved from one business to another in this scenario (i will take your word, and would imagine it is actually quite true). 

There are other examples, where a business does not necessarily pursue a trend to stay in the same business but changes their business to adapt to what is a demand product at the time. Nokia is a good example. They did not start out as a company that manufactures mobile phones, i do not remember the exact businesses but they were involved in at least 2 or 3 other business before going to mobile phones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it may be possible that their is truth in the fact that none moved from one business to another in this scenario (i will take your word, and would imagine it is actually quite true). </p>
<p>There are other examples, where a business does not necessarily pursue a trend to stay in the same business but changes their business to adapt to what is a demand product at the time. Nokia is a good example. They did not start out as a company that manufactures mobile phones, i do not remember the exact businesses but they were involved in at least 2 or 3 other business before going to mobile phones.</p>
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		<title>By: Reex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in 1849, Paul Julius Reuter started a pigeon service to fly stock prices between Aachen and Brussels, a service that operated for a year until the gap in the telegraph link was closed.

But your little mention neglected two things:

1) It was a short-lived business
2) It was singularly meant for stock quotes (not just random telegraphs)
3) He had a mainstream stock quote service, so this was an adjunct to the business, not the main one.

Can you find a better analogy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in 1849, Paul Julius Reuter started a pigeon service to fly stock prices between Aachen and Brussels, a service that operated for a year until the gap in the telegraph link was closed.</p>
<p>But your little mention neglected two things:</p>
<p>1) It was a short-lived business<br />
2) It was singularly meant for stock quotes (not just random telegraphs)<br />
3) He had a mainstream stock quote service, so this was an adjunct to the business, not the main one.</p>
<p>Can you find a better analogy?</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Reuter used the pigeons, founder of Reuters News Agency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Reuter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Reuter used the pigeons, founder of Reuters News Agency.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool analogy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool analogy!</p>
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		<title>By: christine purse</title>
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		<dc:creator>christine purse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This analogy is particularly important as the blocks we have come to expect (publishing, financial markets) erode and hopefully evolve.  Thanks from a gal whose company turns up the heat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This analogy is particularly important as the blocks we have come to expect (publishing, financial markets) erode and hopefully evolve.  Thanks from a gal whose company turns up the heat!</p>
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		<title>By: Jourlait</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jourlait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reuters was (and is) in the information distribution business: by pigeon, telephone line, computer network...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reuters was (and is) in the information distribution business: by pigeon, telephone line, computer network&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I question the conclusion &quot;none of the ice harvesters became ice factories, and none of the ice factories became refrigerator companies.&quot; Your business lesson is based on the assumption that the above conclusion is true...The word &quot;bet&quot; is apt, because I think you are betting... The way I see it, people over many generations tend to stay in similar fields, though it can be hard to track...Winemakers still make wine &amp; have kept it in the family...I will take the opposing bet, that ice people are &amp; will always be ice people, &amp; that the new face of ice is populated by the grand grandchildren of those ice harvesters...gentlewoman&#039;s bet...My business lesson: stick with what you know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I question the conclusion &#8220;none of the ice harvesters became ice factories, and none of the ice factories became refrigerator companies.&#8221; Your business lesson is based on the assumption that the above conclusion is true&#8230;The word &#8220;bet&#8221; is apt, because I think you are betting&#8230; The way I see it, people over many generations tend to stay in similar fields, though it can be hard to track&#8230;Winemakers still make wine &amp; have kept it in the family&#8230;I will take the opposing bet, that ice people are &amp; will always be ice people, &amp; that the new face of ice is populated by the grand grandchildren of those ice harvesters&#8230;gentlewoman&#8217;s bet&#8230;My business lesson: stick with what you know&#8230;</p>
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